We point this out to each other all the time in my profession. When the other side makes a claim designed to persuade me, but when taken on its face—they can’t support it.
Opponent: You should take a reduced amount voluntarily paid by my client?
Me: Why?
Opponent: Because my client is so uncollectible, that if he doesn’t voluntarily pay—you will never see a dime.
Me: Then wouldn’t the smartest route be for you to consent to a judgment for the entire amount right now? Then he would stop paying attorney fees, and can laugh at my pitiful attempts to collect. He would pay less money.
Opponent: Well….he doesn’t want a judgment entered….no, I can’t agree to that.
Me: Then the message you are sending me is that you fear I can collect on a judgment—which is it: is he uncollectible or is he collectable?
Or in a divorce case:
Opponent: You take the piano which we value at $12,000, and my client will take the bank account of $12,000. Divide it evenly.
Me: My client thinks the piano is only worth about $3,000. Tell you what—if YOU think the piano is worth all that, YOU take the piano, WE’LL take the bank account.
Opponent: But your client loves that piano…
Me: She can buy three of ‘em and still have $3,000 left over if she gets the bank account.
I get the same sort of tingling feeling of a bluff every time I hear God doesn’t want to reveal too much about himself/herself ‘cause s/he wants us to believe on faith.
Why? What is so wonderful about belief based on “faith” as compared to evidence? Why does God prefer faith? Then I am told we cannot make determinations about God, because he lives on a different plane, or has such a higher intellect, or is holy, or is a spirit, or is not like us, or some other reason.
So when I ask for evidence, I am told God doesn’t prefer it. When I ask what God is like, I am told I can’t know. How is it the theist happens to know what God likes or doesn’t like?
I smell bluff…
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I'm of the opinion that you should never pose the question, "Why doesn't God want to provide evidence?"
ReplyDeleteThe more pointed question is, "Why don't you, Mr. or Ms. Believer, want to provide evidence? Why should I believe what you have to say?"
It's really irrelevant what God does or doesn't want. Presumably, God is able to manage his own affairs without the assistance of incoherent retards; if a God wanted me to believe something, I would believe it.
Presumably, God is able to manage his own affairs without the assistance of incoherent retards; if a God wanted me to believe something, I would believe it.
ReplyDeleteVery true, Barefoot. Well said.
Dagoods,
ReplyDeleteThere's something about this that sticks for me.
I am convinced that most of the Christians I encounter believe what they are saying, which seems to preclude bluffing? In your scenarios, when the bluff is called re. the judgement or piano, the bluffer backs down. They know they are bluffing whereas my impression of most Christians is they don't.
Well, I suppose there's something to be said for obstinacy.
ReplyDeleteI have this image of you rubbing your hands together and cackling ... :)
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