tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post7088295595317115061..comments2024-01-25T00:50:10.679-05:00Comments on Thoughts from a Sandwich: 1st Corinthians 15 is not a factDagoodShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-45333439851401367512010-06-15T13:26:52.070-04:002010-06-15T13:26:52.070-04:00DagoodS wrote "Jesus allegedly appears to 500...DagoodS wrote <i>"Jesus allegedly appears to 500—a resurrected dead person—yet some doubted."</i><br /><br />Great point. Got me to thinking....if we all went to a Benny Hinn Meeting and Benny raised a woman from the dead we KNEW was dead.....I suspect we would be believers. (to some degree or another)<br /><br />To see a Jesus who was nailed to a cross and taken off of it dead, then alive again.........that would make a believer out of me. Yet in the Bible account some did not believe.<br /><br />In my Calvinistic days we answered that : <i>they were not elect.</i> (See how easy it is to find an answer to Bible difficulties?) :)<br /><br />BruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-22026244005715005072010-06-15T12:06:51.563-04:002010-06-15T12:06:51.563-04:00Steven Carr,
For this discussion…yes…Dr. Licona d...Steven Carr,<br /><br />For this discussion…yes…Dr. Licona did not refer to the empty tomb. <br /><br />To answer the other questions…the “where” is a bit funny.<br /><br />The most common argument I see is for <a href="http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/did-matthew-record-jesus%E2%80%99-resurrection-appearance-to-500/" rel="nofollow">Galilee </a> in that it couldn’t be indoors, where Jesus would have a number of followers, and arguably aligns with Matthew (although THAT has problems, in that some doubted, meaning not all 500 believed!)<br /><br />Humoroulsy, if one believes Acts is historical (and we most Christian apologists do), Peter apparently could talk to at least 3000 in a place around Jerusalem, (Acts 2:5, 41) without “seating problems.” Why 500 ONLY in Galilee, when 3000 could fit in Jerusalem?<br /><br />Also, if one steps back to see the big picture, one can start to see the historical problems.<br /><br />Jesus allegedly appears to 500—a resurrected dead person—yet some doubted. (Mt. 28:17. Maybe as many as 380 out of the 500, ‘cause by Pentecost there were only 120 left! [Acts 1:15]) Jesus allegedly appeared at the place (Galilee) where he would be most recognized. And some doubted.<br /><br />But one, two months later, Peter makes a sermon to people who have NOT seen a resurrected body, to foreign Jews , and <b>3000</b> people converted! <br /><br />Christians claim, “Why didn’t the priests show the body?” We can rightly respond, “Why was the resurrected apparition so damned unconvincing?”<br /><br />Your final question—“What brought the 500 together?” 1 Cor. 15:6’s author’s imagination. *wink*DagoodShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-31212764711990652352010-06-15T06:03:54.567-04:002010-06-15T06:03:54.567-04:00Where exactly did 500 Christians gather in the sho...Where exactly did 500 Christians gather in the short space of time between the movement scattering and Jesus flying into the sky on his way to Heaven?<br /><br />How many churches of today get 500+ congregations?<br /><br />Was there a convention? Just what brought 500+ Christians together?Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-15541187003774790512010-06-15T06:00:43.999-04:002010-06-15T06:00:43.999-04:00Has Licona simply abandoned trying to show that th...Has Licona simply abandoned trying to show that the empty tomb was a fact?<br /><br />But if he cannot even show that there was a grassy knoll, how can he show that there was a second gunman?Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-71110143877673650222010-06-12T00:19:37.927-04:002010-06-12T00:19:37.927-04:00[T]he solid majority of Christian apologetics are ...<i>[T]he solid majority of Christian apologetics are designed to get atheists to argue about things which don't actually matter.</i><br /><br />Christian apologists should not get the blame for this. 99.99% of <i>philosophy</i> is arguing about things that don't actually matter.<br /><br />(And don't gush too much; Richard is a friend of mine, and he's not <i>that</i> smart.)Larry Hamelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788697573946266404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-57155749818116971462010-06-11T20:49:52.964-04:002010-06-11T20:49:52.964-04:00The reason is that Dr. Carrier (my probably retard...The reason is that Dr. Carrier (my probably retarded gushing that I actually met him when Dan Barker gave a speech to the atheist group on campus fall 2008), like most atheists, haven't realized that the solid majority of Christian apologetics are designed to get atheists to argue about things which don't actually matter.<br /><br />The Kalaam argument is the primary example of this. Almost no one attacks the jump from 'universe has a cause' to 'the cause is personal' but that is I think where the primary problem is.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04677779596922652873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-25602412178965654612010-06-10T11:53:20.089-04:002010-06-10T11:53:20.089-04:00Imagine a witness who came into court but could no...Imagine a witness who came into court but could not say where or when most of the relevant events took place, did not know what the key actors said or did, and claimed that what he did know he learned from a ghost that appeared to him.Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-61716140153034271012010-06-10T09:03:22.463-04:002010-06-10T09:03:22.463-04:00The fact is: "Defendant's mother testifie...<i>The fact is: "Defendant's mother testified defendant was watching Jeopardy at the time." See the difference?</i><br /><br />This is a crucial point, and resolves any number of issues and objections to scientific epistemology.<br /><br />As an aside, I'm interested your thoughts about <a href="http://skepticsplay.blogspot.com/2010/06/experts-in-skepticism.html" rel="nofollow">experts in skepticism</a> at my friend miller's blog.Larry Hamelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08788697573946266404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-43628057947056742102010-06-10T00:12:13.830-04:002010-06-10T00:12:13.830-04:00I attended a Catholic elementary school in the 196...I attended a Catholic elementary school in the 1960’s where the nuns told me about various apparitions of the Virgin Mary. I don’t remember exactly what they said but I can certainly imagine one of them claiming that 70,000 people saw the sun dance in the sky at Fatima in 1917 and that some of the people who witnessed it were still alive. Of course this would not have meant anything more than that the nuns had heard the story and believed it was true. It would not have meant that they had actually talked to any of the witnesses. By the same token, Paul may have heard a story about Jesus appearing to 500 (maybe he even elicited it by torture back when he was persecuting the Church), but there is no reason to think that he actually heard it from anyone who was there or knew any of them by name.Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-83414125838549820612010-06-09T19:08:35.362-04:002010-06-09T19:08:35.362-04:00Great post. I try and not do theology much these d...Great post. I try and not do theology much these days :) but you caused me to think about this a bit. <br />Thanks for the ammo for use at the next family gathering. :)<br /><br />BruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com