tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post2827583724430932919..comments2024-01-25T00:50:10.679-05:00Comments on Thoughts from a Sandwich: Book Review – Sherwin-White. Part Seven and FinalDagoodShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-29644496733744875112012-04-03T13:59:01.400-04:002012-04-03T13:59:01.400-04:00My thoughts on the third video.
Joseph Smith knew...My thoughts on the third video.<br /><br />Joseph Smith knew that there was a warrant for his arrest and he had already crossed the Mississippi River into Iowa and was preparing to flee westward when he received word from the Mormons in Navoo, Illinois asking him not to leave them. So he crossed back over the river and turned himself in to the sheriff in Carthage even though he knew perfectly well that the locals might try to lynch him. A few nights after his arrest a mob stormed the jail and killed Smith while the authorities looked the other way.<br /><br />If any one should have known that the Book of Mormon was a pile of crap, it was Smith. Nevertheless, we have evidence that he was willing to die for his beliefs that is vastly better than anything we have for any of the apostles. How can I credit Licona's argument without also accepting that the Angel Moroni really appeared to Joseph Smith and really gave him the Golden Plates from which he translated the Book of Mormon?Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-31895101909995756242012-04-03T12:21:05.962-04:002012-04-03T12:21:05.962-04:00DagoodS,
Yes, I was was bothered by the truth bein...DagoodS,<br />Yes, I was was bothered by the truth being obscured by the overly simplistic explanations. I suppose his thought process is that what matters is belief in the resurrection, so if the facts obscure this "truth" they should be minimized. I'm assuming he doesn't see what he's doing as being deceitful, but it feels that way. <br /><br />I am going to check out the passage in Revelation about the four horsemen. Thanks for that bit. <br /><br />I was hoping you'd do a post on the series of videos. That will be interesting.DoOrDoNothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15775977854913362396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-74839647535484774582012-04-03T10:43:04.700-04:002012-04-03T10:43:04.700-04:00Vinny,
Here is the start. As DoOrDoNot said, th...Vinny,<br /><br /><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2012/03/ten-myths-of-the-resurrection/" rel="nofollow">Here </a> is the start. As DoOrDoNot said, they are extremely short. Be prepared to hear things you have heard before. I am framing a blog entry regarding the first one’s Titanic reference.<br /><br />DoOrDoNot,<br /><br />I was particularly disappointed in Dr. Licona’s going from “willing to die” to “everybody dying for a known lie” to “disciples were dying for what they knew was true or false. And liars make poor martyrs. So we can know the disciples actually believe Jesus was raised from the dead and appeared to them.” Normally he carefully frames the statement, “<i>willing</i> to die” while acknowledging our records of their deaths are based on questionable tradition. Here he smoothly ignores that. <br /><br />While I try to understand these are extremely brief, and not in-depth scholarly videos—shouldn’t truth be precise no matter how simple and how short?<br /><br />As for the myths…we have Zeus impregnating humans to create heroes and demi-gods. Of course those are myth…but God getting Mary pregnant with a hero demi-God? Absolutely must be true. We have Persephone going to and from the Underworld, not to mention Hercules, but Jesus coming back from the Underworld? Must be true.<br /><br />We have trickster Satan, like all god-myth tricksters, we even have Hades—a Greek God!—as an actual god in Revelation. One of the four horseman.<br /><br />Of course there are not EXACT parallels—all stories morph and modify on their own. (Think how romances, science fiction and spy movies churn out year after year on the same themes, but not necessarily each one exactly parallel to the other.)DagoodShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-44198666138700977612012-04-03T02:39:06.726-04:002012-04-03T02:39:06.726-04:00DagoodS,
After seeing the 3 videos by Licona, I ca...DagoodS,<br />After seeing the 3 videos by Licona, I came away amazed that people can look at the same information and interpret it so differently. To me, it's obvious that there are contradictions that aren't resolvable in the gospels but Licona doesn't think so. He says there aren't really any religious figures in the ancient world that have significant parallels to Jesus. However, I thought I'd read that both the god Horus and Mithra did have many parallels. I tire of all the contradictory information. I agree that parallels don't prove a causal link, but it opens the possibility to Christianity being influenced by other religions. I thought his analogy of the planes had no bearing on the spread of religious thought in the ancient world. When I watched the third video I though of you and Vinny with your posts and discussion of The Die for a Lie defense of the resurrection. <br /><br />Vinny,<br />The videos only take a minute each to watch. There's suppose to be 7 more I believe.DoOrDoNothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15775977854913362396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-77003038266731039032012-04-02T22:07:38.500-04:002012-04-02T22:07:38.500-04:00I wouldn't have thought it likely either, but ...I wouldn't have thought it likely either, but I have been googling "Sherwin-White" periodically since I wrote about him 4 1/2 years ago and this Easter is the quietest. <br /><br />I never have read anything by Licona. I have always thought of his work as little more than an attempt to polish Haberamas's "minimal facts" turd. Generally, the only videos I watch on line are from <i>The Daily Show</i> or <i>The Colbert Report</i>. Is there a particular one that you think I should start with?Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-26719061525108432372012-04-02T15:26:51.327-04:002012-04-02T15:26:51.327-04:00Vinny,
I seriously doubt my review has had any im...Vinny,<br /><br />I seriously doubt my review has had any impact upon the Christian apologetic community. If so, it would be a first (and in my opinion, I have presented much better arguments on other claims.) I did see a mention of Sherwin-White a few months ago on some Christian website, and it was refreshing to have read the book, understand what Sherwin-White was saying, and see how the Christian (as typical) pulled way too much from that one tiny sentence.<br /><br />Have you been following Dr. Licona’s videos at Credo House on the “Myths of the Resurrection”? I have always admired Dr. Licona, and while I try to understand he is catering to a less scholarly crowd…boy…they are not very well argued. I am disappointed.DagoodShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-53555624308404927082012-04-02T12:52:54.423-04:002012-04-02T12:52:54.423-04:00I wonder whether your reviews are having an effect...I wonder whether your reviews are having an effect. I usually see an uptick around Easter in the number of bloggers citing Sherwin-White for the principle that the resurrection story couldn't have been a legend because it arose to quickly. I haven't seen any yet this year.Vinnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955726889682177434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-24596274251787854392012-01-31T10:51:52.596-05:002012-01-31T10:51:52.596-05:00DagoodS,
Surprisingly, I've actually read thos...DagoodS,<br />Surprisingly, I've actually read those two books. I really like both authors. I need to read more Campbell. I just bought a book on the development of the Bible, so after I finish that and the two on hell that I've rediscovered, I'll start in on myths. <br /><br />Also thought I'd let you know that my husband and I and the two colleagues of his that ran in the Warrior Dash last summer are seriously considering the Run for Your Lives Zombie Dash that will be in St. Louis on August 18 this year. The price goes up incrementally. Today it is $57 but will go up to $67 tomorrow and will ultimately be $87 per person. We may decide by today, but if you or anyone feel like joining us that day, we'd love to see you. I do recommend the earlier wave possible so you don't die of heat exhaustion. It's too bad they don't start races at 7 am. It's almost too hot by 9 in St. Louis in the summer.DoOrDoNothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15775977854913362396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-80537064115139652862012-01-27T12:51:30.338-05:002012-01-27T12:51:30.338-05:00Why do People believe Weird Things by Shermer and...<a href="http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/0805070893" rel="nofollow">Why do People believe Weird Things </a> by Shermer and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Power-Myth-Joseph-Campbell/dp/0385418868" rel="nofollow">The Power of Myth </a> by Joseph Campbell. Although it has been probably 5 years since I read them.<br /><br />(P.S. Sherwin-White's book is not one I would ever recommend. You haven't missed anything.)DagoodShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557451438888314932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20896717.post-91852914474908440382012-01-27T09:54:07.053-05:002012-01-27T09:54:07.053-05:00This is not a book I would ever read, so I appreci...This is not a book I would ever read, so I appreciate the condensed version. This discussion has made me interested in more thoroughly and systematically studying myth development. Have you studied anyone in particular on this topic?DoOrDoNothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15775977854913362396noreply@blogger.com